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(Message started by: acevuk on Jan 17th, 2021, 9:25pm)

Title: Higher notes in bass clef?
Post by acevuk on Jan 17th, 2021, 9:25pm
Hi there,

I am transcribing a piece (SATB & piano) where the piano part has higher notes in the left hand than I am able to enter in HA!

Is there a way of extending the 'upper end' of the bass clef? If I press Ctrl+T, I can see a red line which seems to be denoting the top of the 'allowed' range of notes, but this cannot be moved to allow the upper notes to be entered.

Any assistance gratefully received!

Many thanks,

Alan

Title: Re: Higher notes in bass clef?
Post by Oliveira on Jan 17th, 2021, 9:51pm
Pulse Shift e inserte la nota.

Title: Re: Higher notes in bass clef?
Post by acevuk on Jan 17th, 2021, 9:56pm
Muchas gracias Oliveira!!

Title: Re: Higher notes in bass clef?
Post by Sylvain Machefert on Jan 18th, 2021, 8:08am
Hi!
You can also extend the vertical area of a staff.

It's easier in Scroll mode than in Page mode.
On the left of the staff, you have a red triangle at the bottom line of the staff.
Move it to the top or the bottom to change the staff vertical position in its area.

To change the area height, between each staff menu, on the left, you have a horizontal separator. Hover it with your mouse you'll have a vertical double arrow.
drag and drop this separator to the top or the bottom to change the area height.


Sometimes, on piano scores, we can see left hand playing notes that belongs to right hand staff.
e.g. left hand is in upper notes of bass clef, right hand is in medium / high notes of trebble clef.
Reading very high notes in bass clef between the two staves is tometimes harder than reading them on trebble clef.
You can use special beaming (https://www.myriad-online.com/resources/docs/harmony/english/tieslurbeam.htm) to beam together notes from bass and trebble clef.
Here is attached a complex example.
The very low notes with "m.d" instruction are played with right hand (lm.d. = main droite in French).
The right hand plays also the simple melody (with 2 moves to play a bass note).
The left hand plays most part of the fast 32th notes, but the right hand can play some of them near the end.
The fast 32th notes are beamed with special beaming, this is easier to read than high notes in bass clef.
But I admit that is quite rare and advanced piano level ;)

Title: Re: Higher notes in bass clef?
Post by PaulL on Jan 19th, 2021, 6:42pm
The very low notes with "m.d" instruction are played with right hand (m.d. = main droite in French).

"M.d." is the same abbreviation in several languages, but the abbreviation for "left hand" varies. Thus "m.g." ("main gauche") in French, but "m.s." (mano sinistra) in Italian. American practice varies between the Italian abbreviations, the English abbreviations "r.h." and "l.h.", and the graphics ┌ and ┘. I find that the graphics don't work as well as I'd like in HA, so I (being the snob that I am, lol!) use the Italian abbriviations.

I got distracted and forgot to respond to the original problem:  I am transcribing a piece (SATB & piano) where the piano part has higher notes in the left hand than I am able to enter in HA!

HA is blessed with a number of ways to enter notes.  I believe that if you use the Virtual Keyboard to enter them, it is not affected by the staff height; the note will simply be entered with the correct number of leger lines.  Of course, this may require adjusting the staff height later, for the sake of clarity.



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