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tweedye
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Make tune play more legato, less accented
« on: Dec 9th, 2022, 2:05pm » |
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Sorry to ask such a simple question, but I have created a tune using instrument "Choir aahs." The beginning of every note sounds like a hammer hitting a metal rail. How do I make it sound smooth and fluid? The notes are not so much staccato but heavily accented, punchy. I want to get rid of the accented sound.
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Re: Make tune play more legato, less staccato
« Reply #1 on: Dec 9th, 2022, 2:21pm » |
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This may be due to a pressure time too short. Click on a note, you'd get a panel "Note Options". You'll find that value in the middle of the panel. There you can change it closer to 100.
To change it on a selection (which can be the whole score), select "Actions" in the "Edit" menu, then "Change Pressure time", where you can specify the value you want.
I have observed that, with a regular value of 87 or 90, Harmony plays the music almost staccato (which should be the case with 75), so that many scores have a pressure time of 100 (which does not allow anymore to specify a true legato.
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Re: Make tune play more legato, less accented
« Reply #2 on: Dec 9th, 2022, 3:02pm » |
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Thank you for your reply. The pressure time is already at 100%. It is not a separation between the notes causing the issue. The problem is that each note begins with a burst of sound like an accent or like a percussion instrument. I desire a sound like a choir singing three successive words on notes of the same pitch, and the only indication of a new note would be a new word, not an accent or percussive sound.
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Re: Make tune play more legato, less accented
« Reply #3 on: Dec 9th, 2022, 3:14pm » |
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Would you attach (a piece of) your score?
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Re: Make tune play more legato, less accented
« Reply #4 on: Dec 9th, 2022, 3:35pm » |
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The volume of each note is at continuous full-whack, unless you modify it.
If you double-click on a note, then in the Note Options window select Effects, 4th effect at top is Rise and Release Volume <>
also known as Attack/Decay (or ASDR, Attack-Sustain-Decrease-Release in synthesisers).
Try the default values initially, then experiment with longer decay values (sustained notes) and higher final volumes with shorter notes.
(After short notes / hyphenated words, the volume should not climb up from zero - that's not what a singer or player does).
When you have found a suitable setting for a particular note-length, H.A. will remember this for the next default.
You can also copy the note only (Action toolbar) to paste-over notes of the same duration which do not have this effect (then drag to original pitch)
You can also select the entire staff (left-click near the paper's left edge) and set all the notes with a default value
Edit > Change > Effects > Add <> > Invisible (yes)
You can also make particular notes "softer" by decreasing the Velocity in the General tab of Note Options.
This will make the emphasis of the following note more pronounced.
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Re: Make tune play more legato, less accented
« Reply #5 on: Dec 9th, 2022, 5:40pm » |
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Thank you for your reply. I took a look at the interface. It says:
Starting volume: 0
Volume rising duration: 0
Plateau volume: 100
Volume release duration: 0
Ending volume: 0
Those settings should produce a "square wave" like this:
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As you say, that would be "full whack" from start to end, but that is not what I am hearing. I hear a sound like this:
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I am not hearing a gap between notes, but I am hearing a "pop" at the beginning of each note, very percussive, sort of like tonguing a flute or a clarinet. In voice terms, it sounds like the choir is accenting every syllable or is being accompanied by a drum. Instead, the choir should be using very long continuous breaths with no accents at all. If the choir were to sing four notes in succession on the same pitch, the only way the audience would know when a new note began would be because the word being sung changed.
Another way to describe what I hear is this:
Paah Paah Paah Paah Where the capital Ps represent percussive sounds at the beginning of each note
Instead, I want to hear:
aah_aah_aah_aah With no accents and no gaps between the notes, like a long slur and no breaths
I played with the parameters in the interface to no avail. Adding a little to the volume rising duration helps a little bit but did not solve the issue.
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Re: Make tune play more legato, less accented
« Reply #6 on: Dec 9th, 2022, 10:20pm » |
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HI. if you have the gold base there is a 'slow choir aah' you can use.
However, to use the standard choir without a "bump" I applied the effect "volume rising".
This the 5th one the top line
It was set at default zero volume start, with rising time of 25 . It is fairly smooth.
Select any or all choir notes you want to be smooth and apply the effect.
If however, you have polyphony on the staff with notes at different start times, the volume setting will effect other notes in the middle of sounding.
To overcome that you have to have the actual samples of the choir changed at the start, as in the gold base version.
Without buying the gold base you could edit the standard samples and save then all as a "user instrument." not fun to learn.
I could attach my version of the slow gold instrument file here for you to save and use as a 'user instrument'. But it feels a bit "illegal" ??!
Hopefully the' effect' fix above will do what you want
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Re: Make tune play more legato, less accented
« Reply #7 on: Dec 9th, 2022, 10:27pm » |
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Thank you very much. Using the volume rising with 25 works well enough.
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I should add, just in case haven't tried it...
You get a fuller set of menus when you open the menu by selecting the note ( or notes) you want, then using the "Cntrl/ alt/G" keys to open the effects (and other menus)
With this menu you can set the effect to be added deleted or changed s well.
Clicking on the desired effect symbol opens it to set the times and values.
see the attachment.
Have fun
David
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