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dheo
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Hello,
Is there a way to separate two notes that are close together without adding a voice?
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Oliveira
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Ohh!. Una de mis grandes aspiraciones desde hace 16 años.! 
No. No es posible hacerlo en una sola capa. Hay que recurrir (como todos los demás editores de partituras a una segunda voz).
Sin embargo (aúnque no es demasiado estético, en H.A. existe la posibilidad de cambiar el sentido a la cabeza de una de las notas. No es lo mejor, pero se entiende bién.
En resumen, si quieres una presentación impecable, hay que utilizar 2 voces. Pero, también se puede hacer un apaño en una sola voz con el cambio de sentido de una de las cabezas.
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Re: Colliding Note Heads
« Reply #2 on: Jan 26th, 2021, 5:28pm » |
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Thank you Oliveira,
I think I'll just invert the note head.
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In the example you show, setting both stems to the same direction should automatically cause HA to invert one of the note heads. The attached image shows eight notes entered in HA, and HA's automatic handling of them.
If you want the stems in opposite directions, you might have to manually invert one of the note heads. Just double-click on one of the notes, and the "Edit Note" dialogue will appear. You can adjust both notes in that same window (i.e., you put the focus on one note, adjust it, then put the focus on the second note and make adjustments).
If you enter the notes on separate staves, it involves more work to position them to avoid a clash.
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Here is an example of notes on two separate but merged staves, as occurs in a church hymn. Notice that the heads of the clashing notes have been offset by a certain amount.
The practice of music publishers is to have the point where the notes are closest lie over the middle of the notes on the other staff. When I make such adjustments, I temporarily extend the stem as far as it will go, so as to be able to see how the edge of the note I'm moving relates to the note on the other staff. Then I adjust the other clashing note to sit as close to the first note as possible without actually touching.
In general, in two part staves such as this one, the note from the upper voice should appear first, but you will note that when one of the notes is dotted and the other isn't, the dotted note is placed second, even when it is in the upper voice. That is why the notes for "breast" (Soprano/Alto staff) are arranged the way they are, while the notes for "fed" (Soprano/Alto staff) and "is" (Tenor/Bass staff) are arranged the usual way.
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Re: Colliding Note Heads
« Reply #5 on: Jan 27th, 2021, 4:11pm » |
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on Jan 27th, 2021, 3:21pm, PaulL wrote:| That is why the notes for "breast" (Soprano/Alto staff) |
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Donc... rien à voir avec la "voix de tête" (humour bilingue et de mauvais goût, mais autorisé en période Covid )
Plaisanterie à part, cette histoire de note pointée à la seconde et placée après pour ne pas masquer le point est une bonne pratique. Il faudrait peut-être que j'intègre cette loi dans le script anti-collisions.
On peut aussi, avec HA, changer la position verticale du point.
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Oliveira
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Efectivamente. El puntillo se puede ajustar. En el caso de plicas combinadas de la imagen, hay que utilizar 2 voces. Pero queda impecable.
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Re: Colliding Note Heads
« Reply #7 on: Jan 28th, 2021, 3:11pm » |
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Cette règle n'est pas vraiment nécessaire, sauf dan le cas où le point serait ambigu. Dan le cas où les deux notes chaque possèdent un point, il n'y aura pas d'ambiguïté, par exemple.
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Re: Colliding Note Heads
« Reply #8 on: Jan 28th, 2021, 3:14pm » |
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Très bien. Je trouve qu'il est plus joli d'aligner les tiges dans tous les cas, quitte à modifier la position verticale du point.
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