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Improved voices for choral music  
« on: Sep 13th, 2020, 12:53pm »
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I have realised that voices offered by Virtual Singer as default for choral music do not sound very natural. And I believe that most users of VS do not bother to edit these voices in order to obtain better results.
I have been using VS for many years and I think I’ve been able to edit these voices to get a reasonable similarity with real choir singers.
Therefore, I am suggesting VS users to evaluate these voices to check if they suit better for choral music. I honestly think that they can contribute to improve the sound of the VS choral scores.
As this forum does not allow to attach more that one file, I can send you by e-mail these voices. My e-mail address is in my profile page.
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Re: Improved voices for choral music  
« Reply #1 on: Sep 13th, 2020, 1:24pm »
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That's a great idea.
I think that somewhere on this forum a few other attempts have been made on choral voices. How about asking Myriad to include new voices in this page after the team's trial and agreement.
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Re: Improved voices for choral music  
« Reply #2 on: Sep 13th, 2020, 1:39pm »
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I did about one month ago, but I get no reply. That's why I decided to send the idea in the forum.
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Re: Improved voices for choral music  
« Reply #3 on: Sep 13th, 2020, 1:49pm »
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Eduardo,
You could compress all the files into a single zip and attach that to a post.
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Re: Improved voices for choral music  
« Reply #4 on: Sep 13th, 2020, 2:11pm »
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Thank you, André. I did not think in this posibility. I will do it.
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Re: Improved voices for choral music   Voices.zip
« Reply #5 on: Sep 13th, 2020, 2:20pm »
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André let me know that  I can compress all the files into a single zip and attach it that to a post.  
So I'am sending the 4 voices (S, A, T, B) in a single zip file.
I would like some feedback, please...
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Re: Improved voices for choral music  
« Reply #6 on: Sep 14th, 2020, 12:04pm »
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-Hello Eduardo,
 
I made a first comparison with a German one-voice piece I'm currently working on, later on this week I'll try with a Latin-English SATB work.  
 
I was using till now some voices, which are smoother than the original "Classical" ones, but I totally forgot which was their origin. Yours look even smoother, it seems great.  
 
For German, I had to retrofit a few corrections/changes to a couple of fragments, which are critical for a good German pronunciation.
 
By the way, I wonder why the changes to fragments are in the same files as the "voice quality" changes. The fragment improvements are l(largeny, at least) independent from teh voice quality, and do not need to be specific for the 4 voices.
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Re: Improved voices for choral music  
« Reply #7 on: Sep 14th, 2020, 12:41pm »
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Hello, Andre_B.  
 
Thank for your reply. The changes that I made in the default classical voices were done by ‘trial and error’, changing the default settings of every voice. I mostly reduced the ‘pitch attack’ and the depth of the vibrato, although I made some other changes that I don’t remember. Reducing the ‘pitch attack’ seems to improve a lot each voice.
 
The voices that I sent are kind of `multi purpose’ for different styles, but I usually increase a little bit the vibrato in some pieces. And a reverb of 12 to 14 makes wonders...
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Re: Improved voices for choral music   VS.Multi.SATB._Eduardo.jpg
« Reply #8 on: Sep 14th, 2020, 2:43pm »
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¡Muchas gracias Eduardo!.
Realmente mejora mucho el ataque de las palabras. Resulta todo bastante mas suave. Aúnque, quizá la reberveración sea un pelín escesiva. Pero no pasa nada. Eso se ajusta en el general a gusto. Muy buen trabajo.
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Eduardo: Sería fantástico que lograses hacer tomas Real Singer de vuestro coro (solistas) de SATB en español (cada uno tira para lo suyo, ja,ja)
Yo tengo una voz de barítono en español (Eladio) Es un usuario de H.A. (Eladio M. Bargiela) Está decentita pero le faltan esos ajustes finos.
 
Ya ves en la imagen que ya incorporé tus voces a mi lista.
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« Reply #9 on: Sep 14th, 2020, 2:51pm »
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Adjunto la toma de Real Singer española (Baritono) de Eladio M. Bargiela.
A ver si pudieras hacer algo para mejorar los ataques.
Aquí lo puedes oir (baja un poco el volumen del piano)http://jose-a--oliveira.myriad-users.com/F732.html o en esta otra  http://jose-a--oliveira.myriad-users.com/F645.html
Un saludo.
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Re: Improved voices for choral music  
« Reply #10 on: Sep 14th, 2020, 3:55pm »
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Gracias, Oliveira.  
 
Anima mucho que un experto como tú aprecie mi trabajo.
 
Yo intenté hace años construir voces con Real Singer, pero me pareció excesivamente complicado, y el resultado obtenido no me gustaba. Entonces fui mejorando poco a poco las voces "sintéticas" (a oído, claro), y creo que ahora están bastante aceptables.
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Re: Improved voices for choral music  
« Reply #11 on: Sep 14th, 2020, 8:33pm »
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Yo solo tengo algo de experiencia en la notación musical. Ese es el apartado con el que estoy "luchando" con H.A. La reproducción me interesa, pero no tanto como la pulcritud de la notación, que para mi es esencial. Un software editor profesional de partituras, no debe llamarse tal, si no hace las cosas como mandan las reglas o costumbres. H.A. es muy flexible, pero ¡Ay, Dios..!.
 
Muchas gracias nuevamente por tu buen trabajo con las voces para el coro. Las tomaré como referencia de aquí en adelante.
Quedo a tu disposición para lo que gustes en materia de notación.
Saludos.
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Re: Improved voices for choral music  
« Reply #12 on: Sep 14th, 2020, 8:42pm »
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¡Gracias, José Alfredo, lo tendré en cuenta!
Yo, sin embargo, como para mí el oído es fundamental (no leo música), me interesa más que el resultado sonoro sea aceptable para el aprendizaje, tanto el mío como el del resto del coro. ¡Saludos!
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