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english pronunciation of verb "live"  
« on: Dec 8th, 2019, 11:07am »
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Hi all,
 
Attached you'll find "Away in a Manger" by Will Todd as an HA file.
 
At measure 55, 57 and following there is the verb "live" as in "to live".
 
VS pronunciation of the "i" is the same as the one in the noun "life" which is not correct for the verb.
 
Is there any way to fix or workaround it?
Thanks in advance for your answer(s).
 
 Have a happy Sunday!
 
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Re: english pronunciation of verb "live"  
« Reply #1 on: Dec 8th, 2019, 12:32pm »
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Yes, of course. Use SAMPA. That is :  add an escape sequence [#liv] after the "live" in the lyrics line. Don't worry, it will not appear when the editing is over but will be sung correctle by VS.
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Re: english pronunciation of verb "live"  
« Reply #2 on: Dec 8th, 2019, 6:29pm »
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Thanks bubu42. Is there a documentation where I can read all about SAMPA?
May I know in advance what words need that treatment?
In other words, where may I read more about this issue?
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 8th, 2019, 6:54pm »
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OK, I've found it.
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Re: english pronunciation of verb "live"   Away_in_a_manger_Arr._Will_Todd.myr
« Reply #4 on: Dec 9th, 2019, 9:47am »
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I've got a pb at m. 22+23 whereas instead of saying "The cattle are lowing" it generates some kind of sound for the words "The cattle are" and then says "lowing" correctly.
What should I do here?  
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Re: english pronunciation of verb "live"  
« Reply #5 on: Dec 9th, 2019, 10:52am »
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Well, basically the words "the cattle are" are not exactly in the right place (they're on a second line as if the song had to be repeated). So, to get things right, I suggest you first go to the Options menu and select "limit editing tro one bar" line. Then, start editing the words in bar #23 and delete the space under the quarter note to replace it by "The". Delete all the spaces in bar #24 and type the worrect words "cat-tle are" (note that in the soprano line you'll have to add a space as there are two notes on the same syllable). Then, you can turn off the "limit editing to one bar" option.
Ooops. Forgot to advise you to turn on the control handles on with Ctrl+T in page mode. To rub off the useless words, click on the black triangle in the icon bar and use the "Edit lyrics line". There, you can select all the lyrics with Ctrl+A, choose the correct font (type, size) and alignment (centerd is best) and OK.
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Re: english pronunciation of verb "live"   Away_in_a_manger_Arr._Will_Todd01.myr
« Reply #6 on: Dec 9th, 2019, 11:10am »
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Arrrgh ! I forgot to attach the corrected file... I've made the changes and edited the lyrics for the soprano part (set in to red to make it more visible).
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 9th, 2019, 11:38am »
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Thanks for the corrections. Still, I cannot understand how that could have happened.
I typically write the music on MuseScore (simply because it's easier for me), export it to .mxl, then import it into HA.
In MuS the lyrics is all on one line, one voice, voice #1, and there are non <LF>, so I don't understand..
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 9th, 2019, 11:53am »
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Actually, this is not the first time I've heard about such issues when importing mxl files either from MuseScore or others... Usually, we can find a solution but I believe that the mxl standards are somewhat hard to meet !
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 9th, 2019, 12:02pm »
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I see (in the "Edit Lyrics" screen ) that the suggested [#liv] was written [#liv    (without the closing bracket).  
 
Correcting that causes the greyed out words to disappear from the second line  (but not coming back on the first one).  
 
I suggest you take back the original xml, and add [#liv] in full, and check if the same still happens.  
 
If this does not help, would you join the xml?
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Re: english pronunciation of verb "live"  
« Reply #10 on: Dec 9th, 2019, 12:08pm »
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It's really annoying, isn't it? I'm sure the verb (pronounced #lIv) is more common than the adjective (#laIv) in song lyrics, so it would be useful if the default were the other way round!
 
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Re: english pronunciation of verb "live"   Away_in_a_manger_Arr._Will_Todd.mxl
« Reply #11 on: Dec 9th, 2019, 1:08pm »
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I've corrected according to Andre_B observations and nothing changed, the words are still on second line.
I attach the .mxl
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 9th, 2019, 2:49pm »
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The garbage is in the source xml. for these two measures, and every staff. It "clearly" says that the four syllables are
<lyric number="2"  
while all others are  
<lyric number="1"  
 
You may want to take a text editor to correct all occurrences of the first string by the second one (Don't close the string with a ">").  
 
To determine why this happens, you would better ask the MuseScore world. There might be a source error which does not affect MS, but will others.  
 
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Re: english pronunciation of verb "live"  
« Reply #13 on: Dec 9th, 2019, 5:15pm »
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Definitely in MuS, measures 22 and 23 have lyrics linked to voice #1 only, that's for sure.
So now I'll have to ask the MuS developers to check whether the issue arise is in converting to .mxl or what.
I'll keep you posted...
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Re: english pronunciation of verb "live"  
« Reply #14 on: Dec 10th, 2019, 8:50am »
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I have loaded your mxl in MuseScore (Free Edition) and the same problem shows clearly, the words "the cattle are" show lower as the Following ones - which is the usual way of writing two lyric lines. Of course, that's purely graphic.  
 
Would you attach the MuseScore source too?
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